stbx's family is still the kiddo's relatives. So I say Kiddo's uncle, aunt, grandpa, cousin. Fortunately, I don't have to say it often, as the only one in her family that I still have contact with is her brother, who thinks that she's lost whatever mind she had. I won't fight for any of them. Why should I? They didn't fight for me. They (with the exception of the brother) never even asked me what was going on. MY family asked her. MY family wanted both sides of the story. MY family decided, after her non-answers, that she is full of crap. As did her brother. I don't have to explain to the kiddo. He knows what she is doing firsthand, and he is pissed beyond belief. All will be as it should be. Zen hugs!